he is the head of the nra. that is thinking and one thing from the nraa point of view is more guns. >> gretchen: that is a great point. as parents, you are kind of hamstrung on this issue. obviously you want your kid toz go to school and be safe whether it is it a shopping mall or movie theater. but i am not sure we are to that point as parents. are we at a point where we are comfortable with this is part of our culture now and that our kids will grow up knowing to be safe they needed armed people. it is the cart before the horse in a way. i don't know. shouldn't we try to be a less violent society first? before we say that -- it is a tough question. >> clayton: you take your kids to school and you hold their hand and you want them to be safe. but is it what you want them to see walking by an armed guard? you want them safe, but is this where we are now as a society? that they have to walk past an armed guard. >> gretchen: maybe it would be conceal i get all of that, but it is still a cultural question for me.